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Idling injection timing issu

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:49 am
by Arno
Hello everybody,

I'm new on this forum from France (sorry in advance for my English ;-))
I finally make my first race with my new DTA S40 last weekend after long months of waiting. I’m really happy with the result and I have some questions.

I recorded the CAN values during all the meeting and found a strange result on injection time at idling (TPS at 0%)

On the picture below the blue curve is the recorded CAN value (0x2003-3) and the red one the expected value according to my calculations (with TPS/RPM table entry and compensation for air&water temp and battery).
We can see that the results are quite the same expect during transient on TPS. Really good starting point.
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On the second picture color are the same and I add TPS in green. At 0% we can see that there is instability on the injection time (left part).
It jump from 2.53 to 1.73 (about 32% reduction there is no jump in the injection table) and disappear at 1% TPS (right part).
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No lambda loop and no idling regulation activated. It’s look like transient reduction but pedal don’t move. I put the throttle sensibility at 10% for 10ms so I don’t think that it could be this.
Have you any clues or advices?
Thanks for feedback
Regards

Re: Idling injection timing issu

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:01 pm
by Rob Stevens
what rpm was this at? and do you see the same on the real-time chart?

Re: Idling injection timing issu

Posted: Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:54 pm
by Arno
idling around 1700 RPM ±100 for stability.

I don't know on the real-time chart.
I'll give it a try this weekend, car is not at home.
Thanks for the idea.

Re: Idling injection timing issu

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:09 am
by Arno
Hi,

Not reproduced yesterday in real time mode. Injection time look stable.

Because I’m a little bit stupid :roll: I forgot the sd card of my logger to look at both in the same time...
Need an other test from my side.

Re: Idling injection timing issu

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 1:49 am
by Rob Stevens
Does your logger have a spare channel that you could log the injection PW directly not over the CAN?

Re: Idling injection timing issu

Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2020 2:57 pm
by Arno
Rob Stevens wrote:Does your logger have a spare channel that you could log the injection PW directly not over the CAN?
Yes but I don't have the time for this now ;)
(Edit : the requested channel frequency to see something is more a problem !)

The second race planned for next weekend. I'll give a look to the logs and the real time screen on the same sample.

I'll keep you informed

Re: Idling injection timing issu

Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:22 am
by Arno
Sad news....

The engine started to smoke blue during time trial last week-end...
I stopped the race before making more damages.
I’m not able to perform more tests for the moment.

It’s now time for a full rebuild.